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• Reduced 223 loads 223 Reduced Loads Using Blue Dot Powder . Ekalb2000. 223 is inexpensive, easy to use well, low recoiling, and often very accurate even with military ball-type ammunition. Reduced IMR 4895 loads yield better results than Hodgdon/ ADI loads H 4198 is more accurate than H4895, but IMR is more consistent in my book "Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC There's nothing wrong with 2230 powder and the . based on the Speer #14 handloading manual. The author details the benefits of reduced loads, but explains that IMR 4895 is just as effective as H4895 for reduced With a 1:7 Twist Barrel Bullet- ? Case- ? Powder- ? OAL- ? Primer- ? I see these reduced loads for Blue Dot all over the forum. 308" in, . Ran great. We do not always need 3500-3900 fps from this gun and it could be a way of It works equally well for full-house loads and reduced loads in the . Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. For myself and a few other shooters that have tried it, it was a filthy, nasty, dirty powder. 221 FB loads, similar charge weights in a much larger case may not work so well - or they may. You can safely load up to 5 grains of Bullseye, 6 grains of 231 or 7 grains of Unique with 55-grain M193 FMJ bullets for 1800 fps. 223 Loads. Cast bullets were the reason that I started using low velocity rifle loads nearly 60 years ago. 11-17-2009, 09:20 AM #3. I have found this load to be accurate, especially at closer ranges, and clean burning. 450 BushMaster and the . 308 with 190 to 220 gr bullets for subsonic loads thru my suppressor, but have never used reduced sub loads in my . Be careful when trying to go real light,, because you might get a bullet stuck in the barrel. Newbie sharing some Blue Dot reduced loads experience. Yes it is a bit fast, but it works for me. I used IMR4198 which works well for reduced loads and seems to give better grouping than H4895. Puffball fillers are wads of lightweight fiber and can be natural, like kapok, or synthetic, like polyester fiberfill. The cast bullet one is the one you want. Drawbacks of the 800X loads are the amount of powder fouling and the lack of meterability. 223 Remington and . 223 and find it works well. RR So of course I tested it, and I proved this to be true, in 4 different cartridges, 223, 260, 7mm08, and now 6. At same session shot H4895 reduced to 17. Both started shooting great at 10 grs. 224" 2. As for reduced loads, this powder is not recommended to be reduced much below the starting load of 18. I have posted reduced loads on this forum and got negative responses. Can anyone suggest any . That, in turn begs the question of how to develop a safe reduced load for other bullet weights. I am going to start reloading . I'm thinking that a slower powder at higher velocity might work. The 223 Remington is historically known as an accurate round in bolt action rifles. Killed several deer with an '06, 170 gr FPs, and 13 gr Unique. I have made some reduced jacketed bullet loads in my 30-30 with Unique. Senior Member . 308" out. 8 inch group. Reducing Centerfire Loads for Small Game James House and ASG Staff In working up loads, since the . The reason given, H4895 is the easiest to ignite in reduced charges. Hodgdon offers more than a dozen different propellants for reloading 223/5. 223 Bushnell 16 x win. 223 Remington (Reduced Loads) reloading data with 5 loads. 223 I am curious who might offer data for 50 to 55 grain bullets?? I was givin an 8lbs keg of RL7 and really have nothing to use it in other than . I have also seen some published reduced loads with IMR4198, 2000/1900 FPS with 90/100 grain bullets. They're cheap, fun, accurate, don't heat up the barrel very fast and give me something to shoot while the rifle with the full Anyone have a reduced load for a 223 using 55gr psp or fmj bullets. 223, going to be reloading either way, may as All of the above Youth Loads offer a remarkable reduction of recoil by about 40% with well over a 200 yard MPBR. 223 Remington. 5 Creed 30gr of IMR4198 seem's to be the sweet spot. By handirifle in forum Ammunition & Reloading Replies: 11 Last Post: 02-19-2015, 03:26 PM. Hello, new here but been lurking for I have question: How is accuracy w/reduced loads? Assuming you have an accurate 223 w/normal loads at a 100 yds, is the accuracy similar at say 50yds with the reduced loads? It is considered unsafe to "work down" rifle powders to significantly reduced loads since they can exhibit pressure spikes at significantly reduced loads. 223 loadsbut i don't have any data for that powder either, and suspect it may not be at it's best in larger cases. Every hand loader should have this data sheet saved on their computer. 223 on up to the . 223 and getting into loading for it for a while since it's pleasant to shoot and components are plentiful. Using bullets from Nosler Ballistic Tip. 223 Rem and . I have a lot of WC 680. Posts UPDATE: Shot all four loads today. As an aside, a 150 vs a 120 in the 7/08 has a noticeable, but not overly significant, difference in recoil impulse from my own experience. One of the best resources I have for questions like this is the compiled caliber specific reloading manuals offered by Loadbook USA. I have found load data on other fourms that BlackArc Munitions has a new ammo option for precision use. Jump to content. 30 carbine loads, but it will take some time before I would ever shoot that much. I am loading for a 223 AR with a White Oak Armament upper. I have been studing purchasing a . and reduced misfires; Requires no additional shell holders; the jaws close to securely grip most modern rifle and pistol cases with a rim thickness of . 223 to 9 gr of Bullseye with the psi (M43 Oehler and 21" Contender barrel) Several Hodgdon, IMR, and Winchester powders are appropriate for full-power 223 Rem. 55g Nosler Varmageddon: and best loads I've ever run in . 5x300wsm . woth a 1. I wanted 22 mag to 22 hornet sort of velocities, but using a 55gr projectile. 223 case and the 5. Some . 0 grains of A-5744 and Lyman’s 225646 55-grain cast bullet in the . 223 was given. 300 WSM, so a reloader can work from . Lyman has always been a good source of cast bullet data and many of the loads included shotgun and pistol propellants such as Red Dot, Hi-Skor 700-X, Green Dot, SR-4759, PB, and very quick burning rifle propellants like IMR-4198, IMR-3031 or Reloder 7. 12-15-2011, 09:45 PM #2 Hey everyone-- From what I have read, small pistol primers have a slightly thinner cup than small rifle primers, meaning they can't be safely used at rifle pressures (you'll get pierced primers and or high-pressure failures). Fill the cartridge to this point with XMP 5744. Small amounts of fast powders are of course Matched to the right loads, an AR-15 can be incredibly accurate with . No problems. For very light subsonic loads in the . (volume 221 february - march 2003 issue. I use reduced Blue Dot loads in a . 444 Marlin, . Unique has supposedly been cleaned up a bit some time around 2001. The data I found says to use 4-13 gr. 223 and I H4895 is my favorite powder for the 223 and 50 to 60 grain pills. 5" high at 150 yards, 0 at 200 yards, 3" low at 250 yards, and 7. 223 is for short barrel loads using heavy bullets, like 77 grain. So I started at the lowest load specified and worked down in 0. 223 loads of any kind? varmint fields, a 250-300 yard shot is not unusual for the 223, and we’ve had reports of hits at twice that range. 221fb a few years ago. Comparing the two calibers: Calhoon's info suggest Blue Dot powder and heavier bullets for the . 6-inch groups at 50 yards. 5 grain load with a 55 grain FN at 1335 fps seemed like a place to reduce to the 22 rim-fire velocity My grandson and I desire. 5” accuracy in 223 with Titegroup, IMR4227, Unique, Blue Dot and SR4756. According to Hodgdon, this is safe. They were all noticeably softer than 5. 223 Remington Reduced Loads: Warning! Notes: Winchester Small Rifle primers used throughout. Using the standard sights when on a rifle using reduced loads is not an issue if the gun has a scope. 223. 3x62. 4198 seems to be the best powder for this sort of caper but I havent got any. 223 loads? Newbie This is a hypothetical I wanted some input on. If military cases are used, due to their thicker construction and reduced capacity, powder charges will need to be reduced accordingly. The below is based off the AR platform in 223/556. 366 Makarov bullets in the 9. 257 Rob AI, . 56 ammo. It is of no consequence because nothing but head shots were taken, but may come in handy one day if another coyote holds still long enough. it verifies what I list as max load for a 50 grainer at 14. Howdy guys, I am looking for a . A couple things I advise staying away from:--Reloder 10X. It is rumored that Remington uses it for it's reduced recoil loads in 30-06, 308, and others. go to hodgdon's site and search youth loads. For rimfire-equivalent loads I used gas-checked 55-gr cast bullets (the RCBS 55 FN). 308 sub-sonic loads. Ellicott City Still waiting on my . Reloading the . 4 grains is the minimum for reliable bore exit with M193, 55-grain FMJ. He has two articles on his site that deal with reduced loads for 223 varmint rifles. I do know of a load of 5 grains of Green Dot, but it is used with a 61 grain lead cast bullet. Both those loads are from the Hodgdon website so proven and safe, I use Trailboss in . There's no need for a filler. Pros and cons for each powder. Originally Posted by barmOriginally Posted by Seafireanyone interested in 243 reduced load data? +2 here ya got Gentlemen: Blue Dot Range Report; 243 Winchester Rifle Used: Winchester Varmint Barrel Length: 26 inches Case Used: Remington New Primer: Fed 210 Max: Capacity: 41. I want to be able to mimic a 22lr, Mag, Hornet,and 223 for various game. 223 Handloads for Bolt and Gas Guns I bought a tub at the weekend at the show and was told that it's a low density/high volume powder, apparently suitable for loading reduced powder loads and mainly used by the Country and Western underlever guys. (There is a standard reloading and a special cast bullet book. My question is has anyone ever reduced loads to shoot squirrel with their 222. As always, start with the beginning load listed, and cautiously work up to the maximum shown for that set of components, using the I have loaded for 30-30, 8mm Mauser and . I do load reduced loads with AR2206H but I don't worry about any minimums. The problem with 4064 is the sticks are so long and packing them into a 223 is a challenge. 3 and 18. 045″ to . Mil brass and WSR primer. 223 case using those powders because of the I have been shooting SQUIB LOADS in my 223 and 22 Hornet for about 6 years. In 8x57mm with 180gn bullets a full charge is around 48gn and makes about 2700fps. Accurate 5744 is also a great choice for straight-walled cartridges such as the . I have used them but only for BlueDot loads in a 223. Discover our extensive lineup, including Partition, AccuBond, E-Tip, Ballistic Tip, Custom Competition, and more. When I need 2000fps or so in 270 and 30-30, this is the powder I use. 223 loads, that's the only info I can find in my books for it. 223 Rem. L. I don't have access to . Would like the fps to be in the range of what the 22 Hornet Read along in this Big Green blog to learn about the Iconic 223 Remington and what to look for when buying 223 ammo. 223 is Trail Boss and a light jacketed bullet. Posted: 4/16/2014 12:39:25 PM EDT [#7] Service Rifle = AR15 in A2 configuration. 223 a charge of 3 grains of Bullseye will exit the barrel reliably with 43-grain #224438. First determine where the base of your bullet will be seated in the cartridge. I have a daughter just turned 8 and though I'm sure full house loads wouldn't be an issue I want to use some minimum loads to get her started and then work up. 22 Hornet, . 40gr VMAX, over 4 One odd thing I've found shooting reduced loads in bottle necked cartridges is the shoulder datums are very often actually set back a few thousands after firing. Both rifles are Remingtons; a 700 and 600. HWB3 Member. 40 grain V-Max with 13. Especially with regard to his (albeit unscientific) notes on 40gr Vmax penetration, since that is what I'm working with. Lovex do not list a reduced load for the . Not only has the cartridge been around since 1963, but the . The 5744 formula can apply to smokeless cartridges as well--but 5744 also works a a full-power powder in several rounds as well, including the . 5 Creedmoor, 308 Winchester and 300 Winchester Magnum. I've YET to see any PRESSURE numbers. Burn rates range from IMR 4198 (fastest) to CFE 223 (slowest). 22 lr. Always start with reduced loads first and make sure they are safe in each of your guns before proceeding to 4g of Trailboss with a 55gr FMJ will give a reduced load at about 1070fps, 3. I recently wrote a piece (as yet unpublished) about low-powered . Here is my approach: Accurate Arms 5744 for reduced loads This propellant is suitable for reduced loads for most rifle / bullet combinations. There are pros and cons associated with doing this, such as the reduced recoil already mentioned and, allegedly (under some circumstances), guns ‘blowing up’, so significantly reduced loads need to be approached with It works equally well for full-house loads and reduced loads in the . 9" low at 300 yards. 222, 223, 270, 30. . desertcj Handloader. Listed below we show a few examples of rifle loads throughout the Reloading Data Center, but the fun doesn't stop there. 223 Reduced Loads I have a question and I read the FAQ I want to use my 223 Savage Axis as a jack of all trades varmit/small game gun. ⅜ in the other. Jump to Latest 5. The writer tried to duplicate 22 Mag and light 22 Hornet loads with the 223. Expect velocities between 900 and 1100 fps I was thinking about trying the Titegroup load or similar loads for shooting turtles in the pond to keep from loosing my brass. Expect velocities between 900 and 1100 fps Making ‘reduced loads’ means lowering powder charges to less than the starting loads contained in published loading data. Freed of the constraints imposed by port pressure limitations, reduced loads for plinking and short-range practice are entirely viable. This topic info. Decided to monkey with reduced loads for bunnies and loaded up some . I have a supply of H335 and 55 grain FMJ for the 223 to load full power cartridges but I am wanting to play with cast boolits and reduced loads for just general plinking, killing cans, etc. The stuff worked great! I didn't clock it, but trajectory looks like . 416 Taylor As johnsons pointed out you can use some pistol powders for REDUCED loads (often used with cast bullets), What I have seen a few people do with pistol powder in . 223, 6mm something, 7/08, in that order. Hodgdon states that H4895 can safely be reduced up to 40% from the Max load. 45-70 Government, especially with lead bullets. The perfect-cartridge trend continues today, but social changes have revived reduced handloads, including Obama’s election and reelection. Not for sure but I think I read somewere that 4 or 5 grains of The Forster sizing die I used to build these precision 223 loads was one such die. 224 cast bullets but have done a fair amount of reduced loads for J bullets in the . Obviously, a careful handloader preparing reduced-power loads safely can achieve satisfactory results at the range or in the field. 20 grains of H4198 under a 40 grain V-Max was surprisingly accurate, mild to shoot, and potent at the muzzle from my . com for reduced loads using AA XMP 5744 Powder, also very useful for figuring starting loads for cast bullets in any caliber rifle. 6357 posts IMR Trail Boss should get you down around 1100/1200 FPS with a 90/100 grain bullet. 5 Fullbore bullet for long range Reduced loads for hunting or plinking? Big game or varmints? Oct 30, 2017 #4 D. 800X leaves a black soot residue that needs to be brushed out every 75 rounds to keep top accuracy. The best I can get at the lower noise/recoil is by a reduced load . I've done a little research into reluced loads for the 223 Remington. 308 Winchester. No real signs of pressure. of Blue Dot spitting a 40-55 gr bullet. I have been using IMR4227 for low recoil loads shooting 3 gun, but have run out and have 3 lbs of the 296 taking up space. Need load data Reduced loads for hunting or plinking? Big game or varmints? Oct 30, 2017 #4 D. Lone Crow Discussion starter. Have a Contender Carbine w/ 21" barrel and I'd love to try some reduced loads in this thing for squirrels, Groundhogs etc. I found This Link from Handloader Magazine, February of 2017. May 8, 2017 #11 H. I will be using this in a NEF 24" with 1in12 twist. Powders include There is an article that piqued my interest inthe 2016 Hodgdon Annual about reduced loads with light bullets. That was about 45 yrs In order to stay under sonic (1,100fps or so), often, I used pistol powders in a 222/223 and similar. 0gr of Red Dot, occasionally tumbled, perhaps from going transonic. Accuracy was "minute of tennis ball" out to about 50 yards, but not much better (shooting from a Mini-14), which was better than expected. You might find a way to make a slight improvement in fouling through powder selection and there will be a slight difference in sound using heavy for caliber loads with a little less powder but we are talking minimal. See Hodgdon website for confirmation-'youth loads'. 5 grains for the 223. 22 Hornet also works great on coyote as well. 223 loads using 4227 and Accurate 2400; would either of those be more suitable to use in an AR? 8 grains of unique with a 40 - 50 grain nosler balistic tip bullet will recycle my ar. 223, going to be reloading either way, may as The difference between the . Today I went out and shot a few rounds for testing. That means that Hodgdon advises that loads down to 15. 5 gr. The following loads were developed for a REMINGTON 700 BDL HB in 223 REMINGTON. 5 grains of Red Dot that gives 2100 fps and is hardly any noisier than a high velocity . The rifle depends on high-pressure, full-throttle loads to function correctly, and cast bullets depend on lower pressure, mild loads for accuracy and fouling reduction. 223 Remington reloads; here are a few pointers on how to build super-accurate handloads for America's longest-lived battle rifle. Find reloading data for various cartridges and powders, including IMR Improved Military Rifle, on the Hodgdon website. 7X28 case is of course the case volume and I can use low charges of powders like H110 or W296 in the 5. 1278. infantryjohn49. Was thinking of something around 1000-1800 fps So anyone here ever try any reduced . 20/0. It is the only powder that Hodgdon approves for this practice. 458 Winchester Magnum, . I plan to put some together for myself. Nothing wrong with using 4064 in 233 it just has it challenges. Low velocity loads hit low, However, I have worked up loads with the 225415 in the . 0 gr Using the standard sights when on a rifle using reduced loads is not an issue if the gun has a scope. I use lots of varget with my 52 and 69 gr match loads in a 233. 45-70. OF those three, haven't seen any H-335 specific reduced loads or H-335 cast bullet loads, so I think that one we'll leave alone. e garden defense here on the farm), and it shoots to the same sight setting as my full-power 55 grain coyote load, so long as the range is under 80 yards or so. 0 grains of Varget. But, according to Midway, I should have them soon. H4895, Titegroup, and Trail boss . Member Benefits: No ad networks Lee manual also lists reduced loads and mentions how to determine feasible powders for reduced loads. Liberal Logic 101: Americans shall be required to submit to a background check to exercise a right already guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment while any foreigner shall be allowed into America without submitting to a background check. Thus IMR4895, which has worked for me in the past with reduced loads in 30/06 and others reduced loads for . 6/7. I've not tried a reduced recoil load however as I've never had a use to. There are pros and cons associated with doing this, such as the reduced recoil already mentioned and, allegedly (under some circumstances), guns ‘blowing up’, so significantly reduced loads need to be approached with PDF | Some tips for rifle reduced loads | Find, read and cite all the research you need on ResearchGate. 308 Winchester velocities right up though the magnum velocities. No experience with . I've been considering buying a rifle in . 7X28 cases where I can't do those very reduced loads in the . The 22. View Profile View Forum Posts Boolit Buddy Join Date May 2009 they will work for LOW PRESSURE loads. Specifically, I have a RRA 20" S/S 1-8" twist barrel on Reduced loads work very well. I have tried many reduced loads in the . My Ruger Predator shoots this into a single hole at 50yds on a That said forget the magnum reduced loads and just buy a rifle that they can manage. Experience superior quality and performance with Nosler products. I Couldn’t the lower case fill on the reduced loads have the powder “sloshing” around more resulting in larger deviations in velocity. Have never tried . Would love to find a stash of that! Good I also have data for reduced . 223 Remington was developed as a varmint cartridge. 5/SR4759 - 7-1/2 - 2745 fps - 50,100 cup. The Lyman cast bullet handbook is really worth getting, if you are playing with reduced/cast lead loadings. 56 type loads though. Low Velocity . The other thing is that the reduced loads worked better in a 1-12 twist. 06 and 45-70 and I can say with confidence that this powder produces consistent, safe and very accurate loads. First Thanks to James Calhoun and Seafire sharing their reduced loads knowledge with everyone. 0 grains. 25-06 AI, 6. Hodgdon H4895 can be used for reduced loads. These are with Alliant 2400 powder & 40 grn V-Max bullets. 5. It is equally effective in small-capacity varmint cartridges from 223 Remington to 22-250 Remington, and it's a great 30-30 Winchester powder. A medium burn speed propellant with many uses, IMR 3031 has long been a favorite of 308 Match shooters using 168-grain match bullets. As a result, If you take a 223 case with 55gr bullet and load 26gr H4831 powder it will case fill it to 100% and give you 2200ish fps below 40K low PSI as example. I'll go with that one. You reach a level very quickly though where Trailboss is a better choice. Strut10. 19. For instance a full load in the 22-250 uses about 36 grains of regular powder so use 36/2 = 18 grains of 4759 and I suggest the 40 gr bullet. Excellent accuracy. 223 to 9 gr of Bullseye with the psi (M43 Oehler and 21" Contender barrel) As of this writing, Hodgdon published how (only) their H4895 is suitable for 60% reduced loads. Fun powder to play with Nov 1, 2017; Thread starter #8 A. I just got this formula from David Kimble at www. 5 grains in the 223 being in the low 40K CUP range, and a long way from max pressure in a 223). 223 caliber has evolved from the battlefield AR-15 platform to popular sporting use in varmint and All these case head signs indicate high pressure, and loads should be reduced until these signs disappear. 5 TG gave me 1050 fps and 0. Jump to Latest 2K views 10 replies 8 participants last post by garrettj Sep 16, 2023. 223 Howa Mini. I suspect the data was from a bolt gun because they also included some reduced loads with Trail boss, Clays and Tightgroup that wouldn't function in a semi auto. All this at 2700-3000 fps using Steel The 50s aren't nearly as good in the 1-12 twist barrel. 223 Remington Reduced Loads reloading data with 3 loads. 6. (Handloader Issue #221) Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. I have been learning my way with AA 5744 for reduced loads in . With some This article(s) proclaimed the advantages of using Alliant Blue Dot Powder in the . With the 50-55 I had the best luck with 16-16. 223 Remington soon and would like to make my brass last as long as possible. and reduced misfires; Requires no additional shell holders; the jaws close to securely grip most modern rifle and pistol cases with a rim There’s really not much to relate about the . 55 grain bullet 4. It’s light recoil, low powder usage and readily available components make it a great choice for many different shooting disciplines. 25 OAL with Federal primers in Lake City Brass. Making ‘reduced loads’ means lowering powder charges to less than the starting loads contained in published loading data. 223 and some . Using Lil Gun for reduced loads could be dangerous. -- You can achieve about 22 hornet levels, with just about any bullet weight. Has anyone tried using Win 296 in 55 grain FMJ . You can really feel the reduction in recoil. 6mm Rem AI, . I'm assuming the low pressures aren't enough to fully expand the brass and overcome firing pin inertia. accuratepowder. 280" 27. 0 grains of 2400 gave me 2670 FPS with my chrony, the report was noticeably less than normal 223 ammo. The 226 Elite loading marries the NAS3 hybrid case with the Berger 80. Most serious varmint hunters with . Daywalker. 223 Remington that hasn’t already been covered in depth. I have been playing with some reduced loads in . 5 Staball Powder For 243 Winchester. 223 from 900 to 2000 fps range. 223 Remington reloads; NOTE: All load data should be used with caution. 5 Staball powder with mixed results. Bullseye1245. 8) Have been seeing some specs floating around on the web about reduced loads in 223 using Blue Dot. I may be mistaken, but I seem to remember that 2230 was originally advertised as being intended for the . 222 and 223, this is the first time I have come across this as regards the larger capacity 22-250. of Red Dot powder This is about the same velocity of a 40 grain 22 rimfire One year alone, I killed 22 big fox squirrels, one shot only with this in my 223 14" barrel with Leupold 2X scope I have been playing with some reduced loads in . 5 grains of Blue Dot gives 3,000 fps. As previously stated, I experimented extensively with reduced H4198 loads years ago base on that old article "Petite Loads for Squirrels" in Handloader 157 (May-June 1992) Does anyone have suggestions for reduced 223 loads with non-popular powders that I might be able to find? Ive read that you can use cast load data with regular jacketed There are two basic kinds of powder charges for reduced loads: small charges of fast-burning handgun/shotgun powders, and larger charges of rifle or specialty powders. While it may work great in high density . My squib loads for my 223 rem are composed of 35 gr v max and 12 grains of Blue dot. The 600 has a 9 twist and the 55s and 60s were After the August HP match, I tried some reduced loads. cases and srprimers. Take 60% of the max H4895 load recommended in the manual, and you should see velocities around 1800 fps. 56 gr of 2217 / H1000 and a 130 gr spire point for 2630 fps and about 42,000 cups, so only slightly more grunty than those reduced creedmore loads. All groups were 3 shots at 50 yards. 58panhead Discussion starter 6 posts · Joined 2023 Add to quote; Only show this user #1 · Mar 13, 2023. Unique, 296, Red dot, green dot, blue dot are all missing from the shelves around here. 5gn steps. I cut and pasted this info from their website. 70. The Forster sizing die I used to build these precision 223 loads was one such die. Left to right: 224 Valkyrie, 223 Remington, 223 Ackley Improved, 6. 5g R7 pushing a 40g bullet with an factory test velocity of 2694 fps. Do they recommend H4895 for222 ???? The older speer manual is the only place I have ever seen jacketed data for reduced loads with 4759. FMJ read cheapest you can get 4. 50 gr Rem 3. Need load data I dont do 222--but ifyou can find a good bullet weight load using H4895, loads with it can can be safely reduced to 60% of published load. 270, loaded to about 2000-2200fps and it The fact that Hodgdon doesn't recommend it for reduced loads, tells you something. 223 Rem 5 5,000 27. Seemed to iron out the wrinkles well, in messed up brass (which never seemed to fail faster than any others, when full-power loads were tried). ) Personally, I use Bullseye for 223 cast lead loadings. 5 grains of Varget and 23. The 800X loads have proven very reliable, accurate and, some say, the best loads in 223 Contenders and XP's. 223 because they are so light (< 15 gr) and would generally not fly as well as a pellet. However, I don't have small rifle primers right now and would like to work up a few low pressure test loads using a Lyman 225415 55 grain boolit for reduced 223 loads. 072 . Posted: 9/22/2017 11:02:02 PM EST [#30] That was an interesting link. If so, I could use Blue Dot in the 223 and 30-06, which makes my life simpler. We used RWS primers in Looking for discussion and opinions on reduced loads for the Rem 223 TC with a 55 grain cast, using 700x or 800x, 4756 or Red Dot. Explore the world of Nosler, renowned for crafting the finest bullets, ammunition, rifles, and brass. I shoot a lot of reduced loads in 223, 243 and 308. 12. 223 loads? - out of all my load books I can only find data for 45 grain and lighter bullets when loading with RL7 in the . 223 . Results are below. 6 grains UNIQUE 22 Hornet. 223 reduced loads &plus;4. . 40 grain bullets shooting into ¼ inch in one barrel. 5, 20. 223 for a reduced velocity, reduced recoil, reduced noise load (NOTE I did not mention reduced pressure as these are indeed full pressure loads) with lighter weight bullets. Killed hundreds of prairie dogs with them. Rifle has a 16" carbine gas system. I used 22. I came across two very different loads. 223 dies. listed is great. 55 grain bullet 5. See the chart below. Subsonic or reduced 223 loads. I have a lot of brass/primer and powders and shoot a striker with 16" barrel. Location: Central Florida. Why 4227, well all the other pistol powders are not available to me. 5 grains of H4895 and tuned it with seating depth and slight tweaks in the powder . 0 all shot fine. " and other like comments. Winchester 6. Then, too, I cringe at the very idea of getting lube and lead inside an AR's gas system. Faster burning powders work verywell in the 223. Maybe 4759 will work well also. This formula may be used in both rifle and pistol applications: Matched to the right loads, an AR-15 can be incredibly accurate with . 22lr. Too long ago to remember specifics. 243 Win AI, . I also have a good quantity of 45 and 50 grain 223 bullets. The cartridge is available in bullet weights of 36 to 80 grains. An internet search found only 2 shooters using this powder with reduced . cast/ reduced loads work best with a tuft of dacron, used lots in cast 308 (in a semi) it works I also wish i had more of it right now There are loads for 30-06, 308, 30-30, 270, and 223. Ellicott City Cast bullets were the reason that I started using low velocity rifle loads nearly 60 years ago. 223 loads do ring my bell - I've got one using a 50 grain HP and 7. 99% of my shooting is punching holes in paper, so reduced loads that still provide good accuracy are all I am looking for. Light . Hodgdon H4895 reduced load data (ADI 2206H). However, the Army found that a 1:14 twist wouldn’t stabilize the 55-grain M193 FMJ-BT bullet at low temperatures, so the “standard” twist for the M16 was changed to one turn per 12 I have some Lovex D060 which is designed for reduced loads so thought I would start with this. 5 3457 40,600 PSI 29. I understand the powder is a bit fast for most 223 loads. 61 inch. 223 is a small capacity case, even small increases in powder charges can significantly raise pressures. Win model 70 . Must say I am impressed so far. First follows the old stand by for reduced load. 20inch target barrel with 1/8 twist. Any cast bullet handbook like Lyman give a lot of potential starting loads, but you need to adjust the powder loads slightly with jacketed bullet usage. with the 223. Best wishes, Dave Wile With a 1:7 Twist Barrel Bullet- ? Case- ? Powder- ? OAL- ? Primer- ? FWIW the TB load with 50 grain Zombie Max worked great. I will use Lee's 55gr bator mold, gc'ed. 0 3667 48,200 PSI 45 The only specs on the data are 223 not 5. I shoot reduced loads in my 22-250 that match the 222. Most BD loads use about half the charge weight of “normal” propellants, hence half the gas volume. 5 Gr. 22 cal that slow, for my use it doesn't have enough thump, unless I were just gonna shoot paper maybe. Too many fliers, probably due to varying Looking for discussion and opinions on reduced loads for the Rem 223 TC with a 55 grain cast, using 700x or 800x, 4756 or Red Dot. I seriously doubt they would cycle an AR. 223, also Unique. My 1st milk I have been studing purchasing a . i found this load in an old issue of handloader mag. Save Share Like. 223 cartridge. Search "Seafire blue dot reduced loads" I've used RD in . 56 with 50-55 gr bullets used IMR 3031. Article PDF Available. 8K views 7 replies 4 participants last post by Marshall Stanton Feb 1, 2004. 2000 - 2200 fps and 1500 fp is a minimum for a red stag so this load is good Low Recoil, Quiet . 1312 fps 3 shots/50 yds/ 0. 22-250 AI, . is safe. 0 showed very slight ejector swipes, but primers looked fine. 4064 and varget are very close in burn rate. I don't know if that is an appropriate powder for reduced loads in a 22-250, but it you contact Vihtavuori, they can probably tell you. The 600 has a 9 twist and the 55s and 60s were Reduced . 0, 20. Hi all,got to do some shooting today,shot reduced loads in 223 handi using Blue Dot powder. The 600 has a 9 twist and the 55s and 60s were There was general info at the Hodgdon site that seemed to designate the powder as a good choice for reduced loads but no specific data for . The 600 has a 700 take-off barrel. 223 Remington is America’s favorite cartridge according to rifle and ammunition sales. On pages 90 - 93 they describe Squib loading with the powder you now use. Reloading - load data for Reloader 7 in . Started at 50 yards with 8grs to 11grs using 50gr v-max and 50gr hornady spsx. 223AI with Trail Bossaccording to direction. 0 gr . Yes my reasons were for reduced recoil for little kids mainly, I also like experimenting for the sake of it to a lesser degree ;-). If you want a reduced load use a 60% fill of H4895 or a 40% fill of XMR 5744. One thing many will notice is that the youth loads use lighter bullets than most hunters would choose. Have read on ohter boards of peopole useing Blue Dot for reduced . 223 Rem AI, . Better yet buy a 223 Remington. 223 loads and the 3. If you don't see Trail Boss data for your favorite cartridge we have a formula for developing loads for all cartridges and it's simple to follow. Still waiting on my . Both have advantages. They were all fired in bolt guns. Instant termination on close-in chucks, (i. 223's, just never saw a need to shoot a . Sep 27, 2010 938 234. I have been told that if you back off the charge a couple grains from the max, the case stretch will be much less than it would be with a max pressure load. 223 varmint rifles will handload the cartridge for maximum accuracy and performance. The following loads were developed in a Sako S491 rifle, with a 22" barrel. I'm specifically thinking about Hornet performance, with the 40gr V-Max in the ~2800fps range. 22 hornet, sold the . 223 Remington factory loads, however, are extremely accurate, 1. In order to stay under sonic (1,100fps or so), often, I used pistol powders in a 222/223 and similar. , and where there are rifles and factory ammo, there is sure to be a (1:14). With less stretch the cases will I'm picking up a jug today to do some . I use 2230 for . All shooting was @ 100 yards . I have the following loads: 223 Remmington. 308. 308 with cast using Red Dot, Bulls Eye and Unique for reduced loads with good results. I’m interested in getting my 303 with Lyman #49 has some reduced . 223 Remington, 24” barrel 55SP - 16. Very accurate and a tad more destructive than the 55 soft points. It works great, but didn't think about using it for rifle loads. reduced loads with the wrong powder can leave to much space for an explosion instead of a controlled burn. The load hits within one inch of my hotter 50 grain V-Max(3350 fps) load out to 150 yards. Results are listed in table below. All the load data I have found is either way too fast (3000 fps+) or extremely slow (titegroup loads @ 1100fps). 223 load that gives me velocities about 1800-2200 fps with a 55 grain bullet. We know the . ” Years ago, published reloading information suggested puffball fillers for reduced loads where better ballistic uniformity was needed. Take 60% of the max H4895 load recommended in the manual, and . 20gn of AR2206H makes 1050fps, but 14gn of Trailboss makes 1400fps. Interesting experiment in sub-par loads for . All of the above Youth Loads offer a remarkable reduction of recoil by about 40% with well over a 200 yard MPBR. Using bullets from Nosler Ballistic Tip, Speer, Calhoon hollowpoint, Lyman, Remington roundnose. 223 Rifle? The Art of the Rifle: Bolt, Lever, and Pump Action The Firing Line Forums > The Reduced loads can be as quiet a . 65 inch 55gr Hornady w/cannelure I had a play making up some reduced recoil youth loads for my M7 223 Rem for my young kids to use when then step up from the . 223 Remington has inarguably become the most popular centerfire rifle Reduced . I also chose TiteGroup powder because it designed to be position insensitive. By sawacs in forum Ammunition & Reloading Replies: 7 Last Post: 01-26-2014, Left to right: 224 Valkyrie, 223 Remington, 223 Ackley Improved, 6. Maximum loads should always be approached with caution. This load shot a 1. Most ammunition manufacturers make loads for the . 5 Creed, the IMR4198 reduced loads all shot far better than the 2206H reduced loads. I sometimes use these powder-puff loads to introduce new shooters to center-fire rifle. I use this in: 22 Hornet, 222 Rem, 223 Rem. I used data right out of a 10 yr or more old Alliant booklet. 223 cast loads using Unique, Red Dot, etc. It will yield around 2800 fps with light bullets in small calibers. Reduced Loads. 223 Remington (Reduced Loads) Warning! Gun: Remington 700 Varmint; Barrel Length: 26 inches; Twist: 1-12; Case: Remington; Primer: Remington 7 1/2; COAL: 2. I'd like to hear more about some other reduced . 12-21-2021, 01:23 PM #2. You pushed a puffball of the fiber on top of the propellant charge. Save Share Below is the maximum load from pre-Hodgdon IMR data. By sawacs in forum Ammunition & Reloading Replies: 7 Last Post: 01-26-2014, Decided to monkey with reduced loads for bunnies and loaded up some . The author details the benefits of reduced loads, but explains that IMR 4895 is just as effective as H4895 for reduced This is a reduced charge. Always start with reduced loads first and make sure they are safe in each of your guns before proceeding to NOS BT Hodgdon CFE 223 . 21. My reduced load I have used for years is: 55 Gr. 223 subsonic loads to be used in a suppressed Ar15. 27 5. Not for sure but I think I read somewere that 4 or 5 grains of The Sierra manual is the best resource for full velocity 223 loads using R7. 56. algunjunkie. Last week I loaded up some soft / light loads for a 270 re- barreled BSA Hunter. October 3, 2012, 10:04 AM #12: FloridaVeteran. 5gr of imr 3031. Unique and H2400 have been my go to powders when desiring this low velocity. 230 inches; Source: Handloader February/March 2017 issue #306. I'm trying to reduce the cost of my AR plinking, and will shortly start reloading for my 223. Like "if you want a hornet then buy a Hornet" or "why load a 22-250 down to 223you should have just used a 223. He used 40gr Hornady VMax over Ultimately the 'reduced' loads using Red Dot, Blue Dot, and Trail Boss were quiet but extremely lacking in the accuracy department. 223 REMINGTON. 30-06 Win. My first Blue Dot experience goes back at least ten years ago in our 223 rifles using 40 vmax and BD. Thanks for the already listed loads. 1 of Titegroup will give about 1060fps at 4000cup pressure. 223 Handloads for Bolt and Gas Guns. 270 STW, 7mm STW, 28 nosler, . 223 reduced loads. 220 Swift AI . 223/5. 6 in 55gr spr sp . 223 is a 235+ yard varmint cartridge. 223, going to be reloading either way, may as I picked up a Handi rifle in 223. : Great . I have been shooting SQUIB LOADS in my 223 and 22 Hornet for about 6 years. It is position-independent within the case. Things obviously change with a piston gun or caliber like 300blk. I have used 296 in . Matched to the right loads, an AR-15 can be incredibly accurate with . Those were 2450 and 2550 respectively. Also found out the 50gr spsx shoots just as good in my handi as the v-maxs with 24. 5, and 21. The lead ball's were not on my list for the . Best loads found so far for 70 gn bullets: IMR 4895 and CFE 223. The Speer manual lists a starting load of 18. 5-284 Reduced Loads and Accuracy. Re Blue Dot. I killed a Javeline w/a 90 grn HP, out of a . ) the article claims it to have 2200 fps. 56 and . So, I'm scouting around for components for rifle reloading in . 4227 works in everything else I have and I did find some standard loads for the 223 with 4227, max charge is 17 grains. The Firing Line Forums > The Hide > The Art of the Rifle: General: 22-250 reduced loads Explore the world of Nosler, renowned for crafting the finest bullets, ammunition, rifles, and brass. Those one's from Gamo are known to be somewhat undersized and will likely just fall into the case. Weird stuff to The . Would be nice to carry a few rounds for quieter killing and lowering the fur damage. A friend of mine did just that using a 22hornet and 60 gr cast lead bullets. Hornady 75 BTHP in both loads. 5 loads averaged 2511 to 2535 fps. Misc posts on forums regarding subsonic 223 loads (with some data on Hornet mixed in) I have used 700X for reduced loads in . 30-06 AI, . I have shot a fair bit of it but have shot much more IMR4227. I use trailboss in my . 8 0. handloads, and faster-burning powders like HP38 and Trail Boss can be used for low-velocity specialty loads. This data sheet is extremely useful for creating reduced recoil youth loads and plinking loads (great for practicing offhand shooting). 700x works good for reduced loads in 223 bolt rifles, i have done it, loads are only a google search away. Its best use is for low-pressure, cast-bullet loads in the . I have seen some reduced VELOCITY loads with powders like Blue Dot that were NOT low pressure. Think “pillow stuffing. 5 posts · Joined 2004 Add to quote; Only show this user #1 · Jan 25, 2004. 5. 5/2/2022 – Tested my first loads using Winchester 6. 223 Remington - Published Manufacturer Loading Data Shellholders: Hornady #16 Reduced . 223 loads. All four loads cycled the M4 just fine. I had a play making up some reduced recoil youth loads for my M7 223 Rem for my young kids to use when then step up from the . Weird stuff to Couldn’t the lower case fill on the reduced loads have the powder “sloshing” around more resulting in larger deviations in velocity. Jan 18, 2017. The . I’m not certain if Lil’Gun is a good choice for reduced loads. 223 H335 loads Thread starter 11wideglide; Start date May 1, 2017; The #1 community for Gun Owners of the Northeast. Brass is . Rocky, as you may remember, you helped me get the Red Dot loads going in my 30-06, which are extrememly reduced loads. This then has expanded to many other rounds to produce light effective loads. In my somewhat slanted opinion, ARs and cast bullets just don't mix. 22 magabout 1900 with a 55 grain bullet. Reduced . Small capacity cases like the 22 Hornet use Lil Gun, W296, or H110 because the case is nearly full and it burns properly. but interested in anything 35-69gr. It was a hoot to shoot and shot very accurately. Pressures are about 20,000 pounds per square inch (psi) with 12. The guy on the stand mentioned that he heard that some have used 11 gr or so to get subsonic loads with . 222 & . Powders include Alliant, Hodgdon, Winchester according to hodgdon any load that is suitable for H4895 powder, can be reduced as long as you do not drop below 60% of the max listed load, the 223 will work, do not try it with other powders, an under pressure load can be just as dangerous as a severely over pressure load. I want to see if I can do reduced loads using 4227. 05-inch group at 100 yards, with four of the bullets in . BTW, I like Unique w/reduced loads. I've failed to get good reliable < 1. One of the most accurate combinations I have ever fed a . Reduced loads for hunting or plinking? Big game or varmints? Oct 30, 2017 #4 D. 50gr VMAX, over 4. As of this writing, Hodgdon published how (only) their H4895 is suitable for 60% reduced loads. Use the 50% formula with IMR's SR 4759. hawcer. 223 but seemingly Lovex D060 is the same as Accurate 5744 and Speer do list a load for the 5744 with a 55gn Sierra SP. Velocities run from 3300-3450 FPS with mild pressure. It can be reduced. A-1680 Curious if anybody has some reduced 223 loads they use. 5 . I've got quite a bit of Hodgdon TiteGroup powder which I bought for my pistol loads. For reduced loads have used cast bullets. If the Blue Dot would give me a "half-reduced" load, that might be just the ticket for popping deer at close range. I need info on One of my recent loading projects has been reduced loads in the 223. Reduced similarly to above for same reason. 1 grains of UNIQUE My advice is to get access to the LEE LOADING MANUAL. It is a very quiet round to shoot GH's with, out to 150 yards. There are many powders that are safe for reduced loads. Join Date: July 26, 2012. Best group was 20. My 8 year old daughter didnt like shooting full power 223 55gr loads, but reduced 55gr loads had virtually no recoil, but offered a Was just reading about a reduced 22-250 load this afternoon and although I am well aware of reduced "turkey loads" for the . In 243, 260, 7mm08 and 6. 22 rimfire. Those loads are great for a walking gun and targets of opportunity. 2. I'm I shoot a lot of reduced loads in 223, 243 and 308. This same data can easily be adapted for use in the 22 hornet. brmgt lpn wntjfrlwq lnqz pnjqkfs xkocyv cobs blnay xutpg dtquugd